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Title: how do you beat one?
Post by: lingojac on July 25, 2009, 05:49:15 AM
all the 'hardcore' players play as a shadowblade, and i dont believe in "If you can't beat them, join them"

gimme your tips, any at all


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: Ghost on July 25, 2009, 07:19:09 AM
Do you mean how to beat an experienced sb?

Simple. Take away his ability to attack. Use Counter-Blow to dodge one of his poisons, or Veil to stop most of them. And hit him with lvl 12 poison and lvl 12 Nerve poison. That way his health is going down quickly, and if he tries to attack you he gets another 40 of his health taken off, or 90 if he uses Backstab. Therefore, He cant attack you. And the only thing he can do is jump away, but if you hit him with poison... his health is going down.

Or you could just try to out-smart the other sb. By using cb at a random time and hitting him with Backstab straight after (The "combo" is very effective). This can also be used for other poisons. As an experienced sb will always try to break your cb (with a standard hit, or less important attack) - usually with their own cb on. Therefore, you get hit by the rest of his attacks, and you miss one of yours (possibly backstab if you were using the cb).

It's complicated to truly explain how to take another sb down. It depends on the situation and what the opponent decides to do. You have to adapt to each scenario and choose your actions accordingly. The best thing I can say do is just practice  :-\


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: lingojac on July 25, 2009, 07:48:10 AM
good tips, though i moreso wanted to know how to beat them when not playing as an sb.  rogue-type classes like the sb just aren't my play-style.


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: Persus on July 25, 2009, 12:00:20 PM
With a Reaver you could use bone armour so that he takes damage every time he hits you. Push at 12 to stun the little monkey and get off flurry. Hold to stop him attacking and Gash to stop him jumping away. for a few ideas.

Prowlers can use multi shot to  knock them down then entangle to slow them down and knock them down again, reinvigorate to stop any poisons. Companion to show you were they are even when in meld and sacrafice to stop them jumping at you or away.


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: Nightmare on July 25, 2009, 18:23:13 PM
First of all no seriously taken hardcore player ever plays SB more than few rounds at a time.

But how to beat those flying rats then? Here's some skills from each class which SB's hate, make your build around those:

- bash, blessed, heal, cure
- mana void, natures wrath, soul trap, channel mana, ethereal form
- bone armor, bone blades, focus attack, telekinetic push, telekinetic hold, whirlwind
- bullrush, brutal combination, taunt, mithral jaws, frag mines
- call companion, sacrifice, multishot


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: zezuan on July 26, 2009, 01:20:22 AM
i don't hate bash, brutal combination, whirlwind or blessed strike... :P


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: Sparrisen on July 26, 2009, 01:50:35 AM
Reaver:
SB jumps away, sprint after and switch WW on. Once you find him, HOLD him. This will hopefully allow for some reinforcement to take out the little drat. If no reinforcement arrives, TP, if possible get off a normal punch, then gash or FA. Even if he survives, a SB getting this treatment will step on his toes around you.

Since I generally hang with the templar, SB's doesn't bother me much. A hold, bash + FA fucks up any SB.

Also, I cannot belive no-one has mentioned Shriek. On my SB, I have 4 out of 6 mana dependent abilities, all defensive. He's defenseless without them.

A good SB will generally be able to have you running in circles forever, so unless he does something important, don't give a shit.


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: Nightmare on July 26, 2009, 08:21:18 AM
i don't hate bash, brutal combination, whirlwind or blessed strike... :P
Well then obviously you don't mind dying either ;).


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: mayhem on July 26, 2009, 09:22:21 AM
With reaver I wait for their jump then ww to them with sprint and then do flurry to the 3rd hit and after that I cancel the flurry to interupt their jump with push and after that 1 or 2 autoattacks will kill the sneaky bastard.


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: Sparrisen on July 26, 2009, 18:17:26 PM
When I was playing a lot of SB, I found that the only class I had trouble getting down, 1on1 would be a healing templar (who on the other hand is by far the easierst characer to avoid). BA reaver was trouble, but 2 poisons and he's down to 1 hp and useless. Seeker was children's play, and witch could take some time perhaps depending on spam and EF.

Which leads me to the conclusion that hunting SB's is basically a waste of time. It's a question of weather your wasting HIS or YOUR time though, for instance, if you're defending your relics 1 to 1, you're wasting HIS time.

A good SB can even avoid 2-3 players quite deftly, so that's wasting YOUR time.


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: Myrmox on July 26, 2009, 19:15:03 PM
The best anti-SB remedy is teamplay, but that requires a team of competent human players which I assume is rare today. With no/few human players, any idiot can look good when playing SB. If you want that SBs scalp really bad then go for a Prowler with 12 AS, 12 Sacrifice, 12 Scout, 8 MS, 5 Entangle and 1 CC (or swap Entangle for Reinvigoration if you get poisoned alot), but don´t expect your teammates to cheer you on as its an impopular class. Nevertheless its the ultimate 1v1 SB-hunter out there IMO. Just scout around (he can´t hit you while you run) until he pops out then AS/Sacrifice him. Repeat until he dies or runs to the regen-spot. If you fail to keep him at a distance, MS/Entangle him and Scout away (after any NP expired). Smooth sailing after a few tries I can assure you, but boooooring after a few games.

BTW Entangle should be on Nightmares list too, it is like tagging the SB for destruction if there is a friendly Reaver nearby. Or just to merrily chase the clinking chains around by yourself and let the bird peck his eyes out.


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: Hullu on July 28, 2009, 09:17:15 AM
A good SB can avoid AS and sacrifice.


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: PimpMachine on July 28, 2009, 21:02:12 PM
My favourite SB hunting is with a reaver. When you hear him (yes you can hear the sneaking bastards), or you think he is close you TP, he will then activate CB or veil, but then you hang him up in a high lvl TH (8 at least), by then his CB/veil has expired, gash, he will now be pretty desperate so he will SS away, go after him with sprint + WW. Dead SB. But I must try Mayhems combo - seems as a good one. A templar with lvl 12 cure is a waste of time to try to kill as an SB, you won't kill the SB, but you sure can survive a really long time. :) Pimp


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: Sparrisen on July 28, 2009, 22:31:49 PM
O Rly?

AS I know, I love evading that, but can you really avoid the heatseeking bird without killing the prow?



Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: Hullu on August 03, 2009, 20:28:44 PM
Yeah, just like you evade AS. Step before the bird goes, it's easy to see and hear when to step, once you get the hold of it.


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: Oynamak on August 04, 2009, 19:20:58 PM
Hmmmm. I could tell you -how to beat the ones that try to beat the nasty sbs- ^^..

but so far, the biggest enemy of the sb is a team. That can be 2 to 8 players, atleast ppl who stick together. Killing 2 people is harder, and surviving an attack against them too (tho, if they got no templar it doesn't mean the sb automaticly lost.. then it's timing (stuns,St etc) and skills to beat him, else his PS+CB/step away and CB/BS step away tactic will kill you anyway..).

Another way to beat sbs is the reaver. BA (bone armor) lvl 12, sprint 12 and telepush and/or telehold at any lvl is kinda a must-have.Gash and BB means a bleeding sb, also good to have. FA/Flurry can be good in some cases, but if you don't know how to handle CB/veil its bether to keep gash mixed with FA or WW for melee, and BA/sprint for dmging them and speed, and TP/TH, atleast one of them, but against sb its bether to have both of them.
My favourite build for both, random playing and sbs in one is BA sprint gash FA lvl 12 and tp/hold 1..  Sprint, telepush and gash, then sprint back and forward and hold (to avoid getting hitted right after TP/gash..) .. and then gash or FA.. if FA would kill him FA, if not, gash him.. because if he run away he has to stop or he dies, if he stops you go to him and kill him, if he moves then he die anyway.. if he attacks, your attack+BA dmg will kill him anyway, and you wont die since you didn't take any/much dmg with those simple steps ^^

Templar: Bash and Blessed strike, Cure and heal.. thats it. First hit = normal attack to avoid Cb, and bash right after. 1hit and Blessed strike.. normaly he's death or low health.. but since you can curea nd heal, and you avoit his CB+BS combo, its no problem.. to let him run away with less then 15% of his life, dont follow him its just a waste of time.

Prowler: You don't even need to kill him.. if you play prowler, play supporting prowler, else you dont even have to play prowler because they are just as annoying as the sb you want to kill. So.. you have bird lvl 1, scout lvl 12, entangle lvl 12 and MS lvl 1-12.. then you can choose between shriek,AS and so on.. if you MS/entangle and scout away (shriek if you got), he normally can't follow you and you go on supporting your team, get relics shriek enemys entangle relic carrier/enemy templar etc..

as Seeker yu gotta stay with your team(mate), or you'll loose atleast half of your life.. usefull skills can be Bullrush , Fury, BC, and KB to stop him and maybe run away to BR him again when you are in fury, and AB to deal more dmg (that might help if your BC lvl 12 or high skilled BC hits him, else you just deal dmg and die).. and taunt. MJ lvl 12 can be used too, frag mines are more or less crap if you are no miner/bomber/taunt seeker..
A way if a sb attacks you could be: Fury on,hit (and turn 180° if CB is on), BC and then KB, run back and BR as fast as you can if its not on CD, and kill him with an attack while hes stunned.. or just use your skills wisely and avoid his poisons and CB/BS as good as you can.

as witch it depends on your skills, since there are just a few that can really kill a sb when it attacks you.. NW, Soul trap (when he staps away), CM+MV can be useful... and CE to see him when he attacks you, then you can act right..


And as I said, ignore him (as charakter, so that he thinks you didnt recognized him or don't care, but as person you take care and act in the right moment and blow his ass.. just watch out and listen to the sound of his step/meld and stun with a non-melee attack first(TP,TH,BR,MS,MV,NW...), if you dont have such an attack.. attack first to avoid CB and then use a stun attack(bash,BC,sprint+FA,BS..).. its always like that.) and stay with your teammate if you can't handle "skilled" sbs ^^ since its a teambased game .. :D



and practise, practise, practise ...


good luck!^^

if you can host server i could practise with you as a sb, got 8 weeks holidays I think I'll find some time if u tell me before, since servers are most of the time empty, I'd like to play some DS :/ )


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: Ghost on August 05, 2009, 08:55:14 AM
I'll join in if you say when lol. My pesky sb will help you learn.


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: Oynamak on August 05, 2009, 09:35:04 AM
I'll join in if you say when lol. My pesky sb will help you learn.


... -I- wanted to help.. :p


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: Brummy on August 31, 2009, 13:21:40 PM
First of all no seriously taken hardcore player ever plays SB more than few rounds at a time.

But how to beat those flying rats then? Here's some skills from each class which SB's hate, make your build around those:

- bash, blessed, heal, cure
- mana void, natures wrath, soul trap, channel mana, ethereal form
- bone armor, bone blades, focus attack, telekinetic push, telekinetic hold, whirlwind
- bullrush, brutal combination, taunt, mithral jaws, frag mines
- call companion, sacrifice, multishot

o.O No Gash vs Sbs?! O.o


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: Nightmare on August 31, 2009, 14:03:21 PM
Gash is noobs only skill.


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: PimpFather on August 31, 2009, 14:27:55 PM
Why is that? / Pimpnoob


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: Smiskfisk on August 31, 2009, 14:42:13 PM
As a Shadowblade, I don't fear Gash. I do not fear Focus Attack either. Whirlwind though, is pain. CB wont help you much against WW, while both Gash and Focus Attack wont harm me.


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: Oynamak on August 31, 2009, 14:50:44 PM
Smisk is right.



Whirlwind is THAA!11!!elf killer.


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: Hullu on September 01, 2009, 06:59:18 AM
WW is only annoying if the reaver catches you with your shadowstep on cooldown. It can do some damage, with the bleed and all. But yeah, Gash sucks.


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: Brummy on September 01, 2009, 10:45:29 AM
Gash is for Pros.

You can hear a SB using cb, so you autohit/Fokus Attack him till he uses cb or a damage spell. Then you use Gash, he cant escape it then. If you wanna pwn Sbs with Gash you need Skill. You gotta listen carefully and Gash at the right time.

WW is to get him out of shadowmeld. Sprint + WW moving in the near of the places where he've gone invisible and then you can only hope to get him out of meld.



Offtopic:
The best thing of gash: As Templarguard Reaver you can use it on a Person attacking the Templar, the Templar runs away the person attacking him runs after him and gets very much dmg, and it works also vs seekers and not only vs Chars with low armor. So trust me, Gash is not a Noobs only Skill.


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: Oynamak on September 01, 2009, 11:00:05 AM
A GOOD sb won't let you wait till he used his CB. You'll fail with attak+FA+Gash Combo.

Tho, it will own other sbs.


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: Brummy on September 01, 2009, 11:03:42 AM
Well I have played like more than 50h with Gash build and I never lost vs a SB in 1on1 yet :o And with never i mean never^^


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: Oynamak on September 01, 2009, 11:06:37 AM
My memories say I even killed you when I was a sb  ::) But I got neither vids, nor pics so guess I can't proove it anyways. But I seldom loose against reavers.  ;D guess I love my sb.


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: Brummy on September 01, 2009, 11:11:12 AM
Hmm whatever, maybe u did and i jost forgot it. But i'd say: Gash is a great spell vs Sbs.

Build:
Blades 9
Gash 12
WW 8
Sprint 12
Bone Armor 8
Telepush 1

U realy only need to autohit him and Gash him when he uses step or already used his cb


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: Nightmare on September 01, 2009, 12:13:28 PM
Gash is for noobs because it's way too easy to use, just like you described. Just hit and the SB either stays and dies or escapes and dies, what's the skill in that?


Also I've played SB hundreds of hours and never lost to anyone, so beat that.


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: Brummy on September 01, 2009, 13:46:36 PM
Gash is for Pros, because Pros use the best Skilles. Gash is good to beat Sbs, but its good to kill every other classe (above all seekers) too.


Just hit and the SB either stays and dies or escapes and dies, what's the skill in that?

Whats the skill in that? The skill in that is to dont directly gash him, cause he will use cb then prolly, its skill that u use gash when he uses step, its skill to run to him after he steped, its skill to use gash when he is using a combat skill cause he cant use cb then, thats all skill. So far to your question.
Its like "What's the skill in interupting a Witch who gots EF 12?" Its just experience and reflexes. And this is called "Skill".



Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: Nightmare on September 01, 2009, 14:01:30 PM
Well if this is about defining the word pro...

You said pros are those who use the best skills. What is so "pro" about that? If you're using the best skill there is, then ofc the skill itself is already so good that it doesn't require much of an experience or tactical knowledge from the user to work properly. Which is why it is the best skill, because it's so easy to use.

I would define pros as those who use the worst skills possible and still beat the living crap out of everyone.

Reflexes has nothing to do with being pro or skilled btw, having fast reflexes means you're just a freak of nature.


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: Brummy on September 01, 2009, 14:05:05 PM
Its not possible to beat someone with the worst skills there is, while he is using the best skills. Thats why Pros use the best skills and pwn everyone ;)


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: Nightmare on September 01, 2009, 14:56:39 PM
Then obviously you haven't played with the pros long enough ;).


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: Maci on September 01, 2009, 15:27:04 PM
Then obviously you haven't played with the pros long enough ;).

(http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/1508/awesomelol.jpg)


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: Brummy on September 01, 2009, 15:58:29 PM
Ähm, "Pros" dont must be guys who play Dawnspire, and the Pros in WoW for an example use the best skill-builds and not any shit skill-builds ;) so i think ure the one whos wrong this time^^


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: Smiskfisk on September 01, 2009, 16:57:58 PM
Hai, today I played my first Battleground in WoW since the last expansion came out. I got 0 PvP gear and pretty much 0 PvP experience. I won. Am I pro?

.....

And to answer on the topic again. Gash is nice if it lands on a SB, sure. But you wont hit me with it, so tell whats so good with it. TP will hit me, TH will hit me, WW will hit me. Gash is NOT on of those skills i fear as a SB.

Edit: I've said this before, why did I post the same again O.o


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: Brummy on September 01, 2009, 18:00:39 PM
Hai, today I played my first Battleground in WoW since the last expansion came out. I got 0 PvP gear and pretty much 0 PvP experience. I won. Am I pro?

.....

And to answer on the topic again. Gash is nice if it lands on a SB, sure. But you wont hit me with it, so tell whats so good with it. TP will hit me, TH will hit me, WW will hit me. Gash is NOT on of those skills i fear as a SB.

Edit: I've said this before, why did I post the same again O.o


If u cant avoid Telepush u cant avoid Gash. Telepush and right after this gash, so i CAN hit u with gash ;)

and to the WoW thing:
Public Battle Grounds are in WoW like in Dawnspire: Mostly unbalanced and boring because of too less team play. If you win a public game in Dawnspire u dont have to be a pro too. I think Pros in WoW are the ones who got a very high arena rating, because to win arena u need skill.



Offtopic:
Actually i only play battle grounds to get pvp gear and not because i like them. Everyone trys to come in a freewin match to get as much honours as possible to get their gear. Thats why I hate battle grounds in WoW. Usually i only play arena if i got my gear :)


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: Persus on September 01, 2009, 18:11:14 PM
Ds is one of the most balanced games I know IMHO. Every class has a counter, no class is invincible. So were does the unbalanced thing come from. As for public being boring. it's a free game whos best days are behind it. I've played far to many games that say their PvP. None seem to achieve Ds's PvP appeal. It still amazes me every time I play that even free the game isn't thriving.


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: Smiskfisk on September 02, 2009, 08:22:12 AM
But you wont hit me with it


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: Hullu on September 02, 2009, 09:36:37 AM
lol @ you NOOBS

I AM PRO and the SB is NOOB if he lets the reaver hit him with gash

also Maci wins maci is pro


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: Brummy on September 02, 2009, 10:59:41 AM
TP will hit me, TH will hit me, WW will hit me.
if u cant avoid TP then u cant avoid gash.


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: Nightmare on September 02, 2009, 11:12:40 AM
Been too long for me to remember whether you can active CB in time after TP, but what prevents him from activating it before TP and have it on when you came and try to gash?


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: Brummy on September 02, 2009, 11:22:23 AM
As i already said: U can hear an SB using CB. It makes noise. if i hear him using it then i will hit him before i gash him. after u pushed him u have time to hit and gash him before he is jumping away with step


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: mayhem on September 02, 2009, 12:02:37 PM
Gash is a good skill, but flurry is better.


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: Brummy on September 02, 2009, 12:35:08 PM
ure wrong :) Flurry is better for burst damage. For an example: if you are 2 or more persons attacking enemy templar than flurry is better than gash, but in small fights or as templar guard gash is better


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: Smiskfisk on September 02, 2009, 14:35:40 PM
Soul trap. There we go.
Or even better, team play \o/


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: Hullu on September 02, 2009, 15:16:09 PM
Gash sucks big time. It may work on unorganized public fights, other then that, it sucks. Flurry wins.

Also, you can CB Gash.


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: Brummy on September 02, 2009, 16:02:43 PM
I know, team play is the best way to kill a shadowblade, but actually i only said that Gash is an anti-SB spell, cause u can easily can kill a SB with Gash. And Hullu: In GvGs its harder to get a flurry done. Templar guard will allways interupt ;)


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: Oynamak on September 02, 2009, 16:18:49 PM
if u cant avoid TP then u cant avoid gash.

Pro's wouldn't say that. CB on and attack with PS from behind or infront whatever -> PS hit you because good sbs won't attack when they know that he's going to TP right when you're attacking. So done, then the reavers AWESOME reflexes TP (wuw, stun but it doesn't mean that CB isnt still on). if u TP+gash, the sbs laughs while you are poisened, and while you are gashing him after TP(cb is still on) it fails, and he steps away and/or BS you.
It's not like I haven't played hours and days as reaver and SB, since those are the classes I played most.  Ofc I know how to gash a sb, but since I know that, I know how reaver will try to gash me as a sb and I can avoid it and kill the reaver because I know his moves, and so it's not impossible (as you say gash will hit always) to avoid it.

Tell me strategies how to gash a sb (order of skills etc), and I tell ya how to escape it^^


to that "pro" thingy. SAC, AS, SF are good skills of an prowler, it can stop relic carier/op taker etc, but just because retarded ppl play prowler and spamm those good skills in order doesn't mean they are pro. Every skill is good (in DS atleast), it's just depends on the situation, the enemy, your team and the other team, on maps too.. there's no "best" skill at all imo, so there's no1 who can call himself pro because he's just using that skill.


Gash best against sbs... In public maybe but not in serious games. but for public u don't need to be pro to gash a random sb, and I wouldn't call me, neither fishhyy for example as a random sb, rather than THAA! sbs. TP-gash wonÄt just work or smth else.



and Templar guard will not always interrup anything that comes near him. U can take off guards, make them using their stuns first or let some1 els ekeep 'em busy.  Gash can kill a sb yes, but a witchs staff CAN also kill a sb.


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: Hullu on September 02, 2009, 20:17:56 PM
I know, team play is the best way to kill a shadowblade, but actually i only said that Gash is an anti-SB spell, cause u can easily can kill a SB with Gash. And Hullu: In GvGs its harder to get a flurry done. Templar guard will allways interupt ;)

I don't play reaver in GvG. But everyone good at it, uses flurry. I don't remember seeing gash in mostly any of the games I've ever played. And trust me, I've played a lots of them.

Oh, and no you can't.


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: Brummy on September 03, 2009, 07:15:13 AM
Ok oynamaklein ich will dir mal erklären wie ich nen sb gashe^^

Sobald er neben mir steht und mich haut telepush ich ihn und wenn er vorher cb benutzt hat dann hört man das weil das nen ton macht, also wenn du cb vorher gemacht hast dann mach ich ein schlag dann gash wenn dus vorher nich gemacht hast dann hau ich dir direkt mit gash auf die fresse^^


english:
when the sb is attacking me, i use telepush and if he used cb before (i can hear that cause it makes sound) then i first hit him and gash him right after that. If he didnt use cb before i will directly hit him in his face with gash ;)


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: Hullu on September 03, 2009, 07:16:27 AM
GIBBERISH STOP TALKING GIBBERISH

ITS GIBBERISH


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: Hullu on September 03, 2009, 07:44:53 AM
You're hitting thin air if you're trying to go around CB. SBs should never take fights with reavers, just poison and away.


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: mayhem on September 03, 2009, 08:02:21 AM
The SB can just wait for your gash and use CB then and backstab you, because you just cant turn fast enough if the sb has the timing right. With flurry I just use it right away after I have caught the SB and if he tries to CB->backstab me I am already turned that backwards, because flurry lets you turn otherway around and the other guy doesnt have a clue about it :). And when the SB is sitting right next to me without CB I TH him and then I use my lvl 12 push and then couple of autoattacks with lvl 12 BB and the SB should be deadmeat.

Reavers best skill is sprint there is no doubt about it, but close behind it comes flurry, because of the huge burst dmg it provides. Gash isnt as good as flurry even with the "templar protecter" build, because if you would have flurry and BB you would get the same bleed effect, but with cripple (cant remember what that slowing effect was called in dawnspire) and you would deal massively more dmg than with gash.

Those were last words from me to the subject, because I think it is so obvious that flurry is better than gash that I am amazed that I even bothered to write this.



PS. If the SB knows how to play you cant kill him with only one guy :).


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: Hullu on September 03, 2009, 08:08:23 AM
Daze, mäymem, daze. You are noob.

If the SB lets the reaver get his flurry going, which shouldn't happen, the most stupid thing you can do is continue fighting the reaver.


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: Brummy on September 03, 2009, 12:12:12 PM
PS. If the SB knows how to play you cant kill him with only one guy :).

Sure u cant kill him alone but the question was acctually: how to beat an SB and so he gots to run away/u beat him ;)


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: Hullu on September 03, 2009, 12:36:12 PM
SB getting away doesn't mean you beat him. Actually, it means the SB beat you, becaus he's able to go poison people, steal relics, cap OPs or lock atleast one of yours to defend.


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: Oynamak on September 03, 2009, 13:08:09 PM
In Gibberish :D, das hilft gegen gute sbs nix^^ die wissen was du vorhast, und wenns nicht so is attackieren sie nicht blind drauf los. musst mal wieder bisschen einspielen oder beim CvC mitmachen :D wenn in public mal was los is kill ich die als sb eins nach dem anderen und hol nebenbei ops relics usw.. gute sbs sind einfach schwer zu killen weil sie fähigkeiten haben zum entwischen und zur untreffbarkeit, deshalb sollte auch nur max. 1 sb im team sein, 2 wenns ein gaanz volles game maximal^^ noob sbs kannste so natürlich killen, da bist du mit der taktik in Vorteil und der bessere, aber trifft halt nur auf die "üblichen" sbs zu^^


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PS. If the SB knows how to play you cant kill him with only one guy :).

and that's it. especially gash won't kill him.


to avoid a melding SB comming near u to PS u in the right moment, u do need SPRINT ftw.

sprint > flurry > gash. If u can't handle it than gash> flurry> sprint, but then again you aren't a "pro" as you call it-


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: Brummy on September 03, 2009, 13:11:13 PM
SB getting away doesn't mean you beat him. Actually, it means the SB beat you, becaus he's able to go poison people, steal relics, cap OPs or lock atleast one of yours to defend.

if u posion me, u wont get away without having a big gash wound on your body ;)
whatever, i hope u play sb in CvC and maybe i will play Reaver then i Gash u and kill u after gashing u ;)

And Gash is a anti SB spell. i think the anti SB builds nightmare made was supposed to be used in public. So if an SB is in tele hold or in bullrush or in bash, or in NW stun or in any stun gash wont miss so gash is an anti Sb spell :)


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: Oynamak on September 03, 2009, 14:09:31 PM
in such cases fa, flurry etc is an anti sb skill also :D

atleast gash is no danger as sb, I even HOPE reavers use it instead of smth. else.


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: Hullu on September 03, 2009, 14:24:27 PM
if u posion me, u wont get away without having a big gash wound on your body ;)
whatever, i hope u play sb in CvC and maybe i will play Reaver then i Gash u and kill u after gashing u ;)

And Gash is a anti SB spell. i think the anti SB builds nightmare made was supposed to be used in public. So if an SB is in tele hold or in bullrush or in bash, or in NW stun or in any stun gash wont miss so gash is an anti Sb spell :)

Poison > gash. I wont be playing Dawnspire, I'm done for it. Gash isn't a spell. Gash is the least of problems when you got bullrush, bash and NW on you.


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: Brummy on September 04, 2009, 07:14:11 AM
When u can step away after the stun ends, gash will make u kill or u stop moving go in meld and get owned from Whirlwind, killed by gash-bleed damage but whirlwind will make u move and die :P


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: Hullu on September 04, 2009, 07:48:29 AM
Then you must be awfully bad with SB.


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: Brummy on September 04, 2009, 08:08:39 AM
Ure the sb, im the reaver owning u^^


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: Hullu on September 04, 2009, 08:16:20 AM
If I'd be the SB, there would be fight between us. Killing you doesn't give me victory.


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: Brummy on September 04, 2009, 08:19:31 AM
But if you gotta interupt the Seeker who's taking the outpost i can gash u and kill u *pewpew*


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: Hullu on September 04, 2009, 08:46:18 AM
Outpost for a relic. Fair trade.


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: Brummy on September 04, 2009, 09:17:23 AM
But maybe u wont get that relic home in the short time they get op, for an example if its Star relic + Shocker relic ;)
(and the base is rifted ofc^^)


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: Hullu on September 04, 2009, 09:23:01 AM
No, but maybe I use gash to kill the relic.


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: Brummy on September 04, 2009, 09:45:44 AM
Ok, fact is gash owns flurry is luck and fokus attack is mustskill :P


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: Hullu on September 04, 2009, 09:53:11 AM
Or maybe I DON'T use gash. If I have heroism, I'm able to win.


Title: Re: how do you beat one?
Post by: Nightmare on September 04, 2009, 10:27:50 AM
Ok the last page is just full of shit so I think we managed to squeeze every last bit of mature conversation from this topic already.

Locked.